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Mark Neyer's avatar

I basically always want to comment here and have little time to do so, but feel compelled here.

The question about how the civil war would be fought, and the absence of clear geographical boundaries, is I think the portal to understanding a plausible future.

I think giant nation states are like the equivalent of massive single called organisms. What makes multicellular organisms work is that literally every cell enforces it’s own borders.

I suspect you’ll see an era of chaos leading to lots of smaller communities erecting and enforcing local borders around themselves. “Nobody allowed in unless you can prove you live or work here”, followed by walls and even things like glass or (eventually, as a carbon capture mechanism + sign of wealth, synthesized crystal).

Old walls and barriers used to be for making it physically impossible to attack. I think the new walls will be more about making it impossible to hide an attack. I think even the most ardent that pro-choice progrssives would oppose people going in and murdering pro-lifers with guns or knives. But custom engineered viruses with lethal payloads + genetically encoded kill lists? That, I think people might be a little more ok with.

Net net here I think there’s a reason China bans footage of tienanmen square instead of narrativing around it. Nazi concentration weren’t advertised as killing camps among the third reich. Everyone really does want to see themselves as the good guys. Social media won’t go away so I suspect we won’t see much of anything besides performative violence at scale.

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John Brew's avatar

Thanks for making me think today. My guess is that such technology (killer drone and algorithmic targeting) already exist. Government versions most likely have a Human in the Loop to provide ethical decisions about who to target. I bet the human can be pulled out of the loop when needed. It certainly wouldn't be hard to design such systems.

I speculate that the US might go down the path of balkanization rather than a full blown Civil War 2. The boundaries would be more complex: The Republic of Texas, Greater Idaho, Ecotopia, The State of Jefferson etc. Energy, food and water might be as much a driver as politics.

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